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Post by kobe on May 6, 2020 16:42:19 GMT -8
I could've gave you Avery Johnson he's better because he has elite handles and C- not D rebounding at least. Williams not gonna be a scorer on a good team A first for Avery Johnson?? stop it I don't really think Avery has any value dum dum |
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Post by kobe on May 6, 2020 16:43:30 GMT -8
Williams > anything available at the end of the 1st round. Clippers did good here. agreed at him being better than anything at the end of the 1st. This draft is really deep Id rather have a late first. Williams is nothing more than a 3rd stringer |
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Post by kobe on May 6, 2020 16:43:50 GMT -8
I can find someone like Williams in leftover FA every year
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Post by frangie on May 6, 2020 16:47:41 GMT -8
Jwill is worth a first BUT I don't understand the clippers dealing for a PG when they have GP. Clippers could've better utilized that pick on another position. Our PG backups were doing horrible. Hard to deal a late 01 first for anything great since most good players are on competing teams. i also liked that he’s on a two year deal and we should be able to resign him with the 120% |
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Post by darell on May 6, 2020 16:49:01 GMT -8
meh I wouldn't recommend putting +24 into a player with no birds. I think (hope) he was joking haha. i think our pick ends up 25 or worse this year. J will shoots better than his ratings and his turnovers aren’t bad when he’s non heavily involved in the offense. Lol yeah I was taking a shot at Kobe, since he always says if you +24 camp this guy he’s a stud. |
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Post by darell on May 6, 2020 16:50:48 GMT -8
Jwill is worth a first BUT I don't understand the clippers dealing for a PG when they have GP. Clippers could've better utilized that pick on another position. True but it’s all about accumulating assets. Like you said he’s better then what you can get at the end of the first so getting plus value is a bonus. We can always use him for future trades. |
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Post by kobe on May 6, 2020 16:51:00 GMT -8
i dont say that about PGs that can't score, can't rebound and avg 3 tpg
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Post by darell on May 6, 2020 16:52:00 GMT -8
Am I missing something his handles are A-... One thing you need to know about FBB is the handling grade is almost useless. Its mostly based on their passing rating. If I remember correctly, quickness, handles and passing make up the grade but passing increases the grade a lot more than the other 2. You mainly want to look for a pg with low turnovers. Ignore the assist numbers for the most part. Interesting so when camping a PG it should be Passing/Quickness/Handling, in that order? |
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Post by darell on May 6, 2020 16:52:34 GMT -8
FBB has so many hidden nuggets haha, wish there was a place I could read about all of them.
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Post by Lasagna and tears of failure on May 6, 2020 16:57:49 GMT -8
One thing you need to know about FBB is the handling grade is almost useless. Its mostly based on their passing rating. If I remember correctly, quickness, handles and passing make up the grade but passing increases the grade a lot more than the other 2. You mainly want to look for a pg with low turnovers. Ignore the assist numbers for the most part. Interesting so when camping a PG it should be Passing/Quickness/Handling, in that order? no |
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Post by kobe on May 6, 2020 17:01:19 GMT -8
Current leftover FA Jeff McInnis per 36#s in test sim:
10 ppg, 4 rpg, 1.8 tpg
Williams did 11 ppg, 3 rpg, 2.7 tpg
That was the first guy I looked at lmao
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Post by kobe on May 6, 2020 17:07:48 GMT -8
Scoonie Penn PG 5'10'' 185 23 C+ C+ C+ C+ C- D
Per 36#s in test sim:
12+ ppg, 5+ rpg, 5+ apg, 1.5 spg, .4 bpg, 2.6 tpg
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Post by kobe on May 6, 2020 17:08:18 GMT -8
Clips could've just signed Scoonie he's a better version of Williams with no passing and better def and rebounding
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Post by frangie on May 6, 2020 17:09:22 GMT -8
One thing you need to know about FBB is the handling grade is almost useless. Its mostly based on their passing rating. If I remember correctly, quickness, handles and passing make up the grade but passing increases the grade a lot more than the other 2. You mainly want to look for a pg with low turnovers. Ignore the assist numbers for the most part. Interesting so when camping a PG it should be Passing/Quickness/Handling, in that order? No it’s the opposite. The letter grades give you an idea of the number ratings behind it. The number grades behind it drive actual game results. The passing number rating impacts assists. The handling number rating impacts turnovers. Lowering turnovers is more important so you want high handles. However the game calculates the handles letter grade by giving more importance to passing. But when camping you want to make him play better, not make his letter grade go up. The letter grade doesn’t directly drive gameplay. |
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Post by frangie on May 6, 2020 17:12:19 GMT -8
Scoonie Penn PG 5'10'' 185 23 C+ C+ C+ C+ C- D Per 36#s in test sim: 12+ ppg, 5+ rpg, 5+ apg, 1.5 spg, .4 bpg, 2.6 tpg Test sim isn’t everything. It’s one data point. Is the guy playing all his minutes against backups? Is he playing against starters only (starters have better defense usually). What was the cpu dc? A bad focus or pace for him? Plus there is randomness even in an 82 game sample, especially for low minutes. |
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Post by kobe on May 6, 2020 17:14:03 GMT -8
Scoonie Penn PG 5'10'' 185 23 C+ C+ C+ C+ C- D Per 36#s in test sim: 12+ ppg, 5+ rpg, 5+ apg, 1.5 spg, .4 bpg, 2.6 tpg Test sim isn’t everything. It’s one data point. Is the guy playing all his minutes against backups? Is he playing against starters only (starters have better defense usually). What was the cpu dc? A bad focus or pace for him? Plus there is randomness even in an 82 game sample, especially for low minutes. That really only effects scoring. 82 game sample is a good indicator for rpg, tpg |
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Post by kobe on May 6, 2020 17:14:19 GMT -8
Either way Williams is marginally better than either of those guys lol
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Post by darell on May 6, 2020 17:20:48 GMT -8
Avery Johnson PG 82 19.0 4.7 2.5 3.5 0.9 0.2 0.9 .363 .654 Ok he also sucks Can’t tell if those are his shooting percentages or if he’s playing baseball and that’s his BA and Slugging. |
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Post by frangie on May 6, 2020 17:22:10 GMT -8
Avery Johnson PG 82 19.0 4.7 2.5 3.5 0.9 0.2 0.9 .363 .654 Ok he also sucks Can’t tell if those are his shooting percentages or if he’s playing baseball and that’s his BA and Slugging. Kobe would never have someone that good! |
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Post by kobe on May 6, 2020 17:22:42 GMT -8
Yea Avery sucks. So does Williams
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Post by darell on May 6, 2020 17:22:52 GMT -8
Interesting so when camping a PG it should be Passing/Quickness/Handling, in that order? No it’s the opposite. The letter grades give you an idea of the number ratings behind it. The number grades behind it drive actual game results. The passing number rating impacts assists. The handling number rating impacts turnovers. Lowering turnovers is more important so you want high handles. However the game calculates the handles letter grade by giving more importance to passing. But when camping you want to make him play better, not make his letter grade go up. The letter grade doesn’t directly drive gameplay. Gotcha, which makes sense why certain guys sim better then others. Even though their letter grade might be lower then another player. |
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Post by darell on May 6, 2020 17:23:05 GMT -8
Can’t tell if those are his shooting percentages or if he’s playing baseball and that’s his BA and Slugging. Kobe would never have someone that good! |
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Post by darell on May 6, 2020 17:23:34 GMT -8
No it’s the opposite. The letter grades give you an idea of the number ratings behind it. The number grades behind it drive actual game results. The passing number rating impacts assists. The handling number rating impacts turnovers. Lowering turnovers is more important so you want high handles. However the game calculates the handles letter grade by giving more importance to passing. But when camping you want to make him play better, not make his letter grade go up. The letter grade doesn’t directly drive gameplay. Gotcha, which makes sense why certain guys sim better then others. Even though their letter grade might be lower then another player. Or is that another case of randomness in the games? |
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Post by frangie on May 6, 2020 17:36:08 GMT -8
Gotcha, which makes sense why certain guys sim better then others. Even though their letter grade might be lower then another player. Or is that another case of randomness in the games? Have to judge their stats, the DCs they were in, and the ratings. Everything is contextual! |
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Post by manasrai on May 6, 2020 18:12:02 GMT -8
Scoonie Penn PG 5'10'' 185 23 C+ C+ C+ C+ C- D Per 36#s in test sim: 12+ ppg, 5+ rpg, 5+ apg, 1.5 spg, .4 bpg, 2.6 tpg Test sim isn’t everything. It’s one data point. Is the guy playing all his minutes against backups? Is he playing against starters only (starters have better defense usually). What was the cpu dc? A bad focus or pace for him? Plus there is randomness even in an 82 game sample, especially for low minutes. Yo I want this guy as my assistant GM! Can he change? |
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Post by kobe on May 6, 2020 18:12:38 GMT -8
Not confident in your own abilities?
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Post by frangie on May 6, 2020 18:41:52 GMT -8
I’m at the point where I know what to consider. But still not at the point where I’m 100% sure how to weigh the considerations.
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Post by Lasagna and tears of failure on May 6, 2020 18:48:25 GMT -8
I’m at the point where I know what to consider. But still not at the point where I’m 100% sure how to weigh the considerations. confucius is that you? |
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Post by Stevie B on May 6, 2020 18:54:10 GMT -8
Damn Darell getting carried
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Post by frangie on May 6, 2020 19:00:51 GMT -8
Ha. Like I said I don’t know exactly how to judge things. I had the software once upon a time so I learned some stuff that you can’t learn without it unless someone tells you or you’ve got it. Such as the handling thing.
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