Post by frangie on May 28, 2020 17:38:44 GMT -8
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The 01/02 regular season is in the books! I decided to take a look at who really were the best guys in the league and make my own all-league teams, since FBB does wacky stuff sometimes. I’ll also rank the top 25 guys regardless of position, and then rank also provide adjusted rankings for the positional value of PG's (I'll get into that later).
I judged players based on their statistical resume only. That would hurt someone such as Jason Kidd who is shutting down his man as we don’t have an easy way to track that. It helps someone such as Allan Houston or Larry Johnson, who have worse defense ratings. Again, there is not an easy way to track how the man they are guarding is performing.
So how does my statistical measure work? I basically created a statistic I am calling added value. I use a combination of offensive efficiency and the generation (or lack thereof) of additional possessions, and compare that to the “average”. So, if someone was exactly average in terms of points per shot, turnovers, steals, blocks, and rebounds, they would have a value of zero points added (again, compared to an “average” player). Note assists are not worth anything here. I think my methodology is pretty sound, but would welcome feedback.
To get a little more granular, if someone shoots above league average, they are adding points to their team compared to an average player taking those shots. If they get steals or rebounds at an above average rate (I use per minute), they are getting their team extra possessions compared to the average player, and those extra possessions are worth points to the team!
Anyway, onto my all-league selections.
ALL LEAGUE TEAMS
First Team
Steve Nash/Michael Jordan/Dirk Nowitzi/Tim Duncan/Kevin Garnett
Duncan lead the league in my points added per game metric at 7.3 with a very efficient 30 points, 14 boards, 3 blocks, a steal, and two turnovers per game… MJ was number two by my points added statistic, with as many steals as turnovers and 8 boards per game as a guard… I’m cheating a bit at SF, but Dirk did play there. He checked in as my number 3 overall player, leading the league in points and flirting with a 50/80/50 season, with 11 rebounds a game to boot… KG may surprise people, but his great free throw shooting and 5.4 stocks/game are golden... Nash was easily the best PG in the league, barely missing a 50/90/40 season, and I don’t even give credit for assists!
Read until the end to see where he ranks overall after considering that he plays the scarce PG position...
Second Team
Jamal Crawford/Allan Houston/Ray Allen/Larry Johnson/Alonzo Mourning
J-Craw was easily the second best PG this season, with an efficient 28 ppg and just 1.5 turnovers at a position where turnovers run rampant… The 2-guard is insanely deep with H20’s 29 ppg on 50/92/46 shooting only cracking the second team… I had to cheat a little again and put Ray at SF here, he shot crazy good and had more steals than turnovers… LJ was not a top 10 player but PF is pretty barren. He did put up 25/10 on very good %’s and under 2 topg, just lacks stocks… Zo had another monster season, 24/14/4 blocks plus a steal is nasty – better than Shaq in my opinion!
Third Team
Chauncey Billups/Allen Iverson/Kobe Bryant/David Robinson/Shaquille O’Neal
Billups is barely a top 25 guy if you disregard positions, but he was definitely the third best point guard this season and has good positional value. 26 points a game on high efficiency plus low turnovers, especially for a PG… AI was a top 10 guy this season by my metric, but SG is insane! 27 points and 2.6 steals per game on 49/86/38 splits is flat out amazing… Again cheated at SF putting a SG there, Kobe is already very legit with 30 points, 7 boards, and 2 steals per game with good %’s… Twin towers here with D-Rob at the four, PF is barren as I already said. Not eye-popping stats but 4.1 stocks vs 1.7 to’s, plus an efficient 14 points and strong 11 boards per game… Shaq’s 26/14/3 blocks per game are head-turning, but the missed free throws and turnovers knock him down to the third team…
TOP 25
Here’s the top 25 without considering positional value…
1. Duncan – 550 points added, 7.3/game
2. Jordan – 374, 5.3/g
3. Dirk – 409, 5.0/g
4. KG – 351, 4.3/g
5. H20 – 319, 4.3/g
6. Ray Allen – 215, 4.2/g
7. AI – 315, 4.1/g
8. Kobe – 211, 4.1/g
9. Ricky Davis – 255, 3.7/g, this guy is insanely good, he would be top 5 if done on a per minute basis. 50/88/43 slash line with more steals than turnovers…
10. Mourning – 289, 3.6/g
11. Nash – 266, 3.6/g
12. Vince Carter – 242, 3.6/g, shooting guard is so deep it is crazy! Averaging 29/8 on very good shooting and you’re still only 7th best at the position? Wild.
13. LJ – 261, 3.2/g
14. Shaq – 236, 3.1/g
15. D-Rob – 210, 2.7/g
16. Toine – 212, 2.6/g, this guy looks pretty good now that he actually hits shots and has more stocks than turnovers. The scoring and rebounding was always going to be there.
17. Big Dog Glenn Robinson – 213, 2.6/g, Utah’s third entry on this list, an efficient 22 points, 7 boards, and more stocks than turnovers. Yes please.
18. J-Craw – 211, 2.6/g
19. C-Webb – 193, 2.5/g, pretty solid, but his 3 topg hold him back. He’s efficient but not ultra-efficient.
20. KVH – 205, 2.5/g. I actually expected him to rank higher but he could up his free throw and three point % a little bit and get the stocks up a little. Not bad though!
Next 5: Pierce, T-Mac, Brian Grant, Billups, Grant Hill
ADJUSTING FOR PG's
When adjusting for positional value, I calculated value for PG’s compared to the average PG. For non-PG’s, I calculated the value compared to the average non-PG. I did this breakout for a few reasons. First, there are positional limitations for PGs but not other positions. Most other guys have at least two options of positions they could play. Second, PG is pretty barren across the league. Third, the guy playing PG will naturally have more turnovers, it is just the nature of the game, and everyone has to start one…
So how does that change things if we adjust the PG’s? The list looks different for sure. How different? Nash jumps all the way up to #2, and Crawford jumps up to #5. Billups would make the leap all the way to #11. Bobby Jackson would climb all the way up to #25 as well.
ANYONE ELSE?
If you have someone that you are curious to know how they rank in this metric, let me know in the thread and I'll provide you the answer!
The 01/02 regular season is in the books! I decided to take a look at who really were the best guys in the league and make my own all-league teams, since FBB does wacky stuff sometimes. I’ll also rank the top 25 guys regardless of position, and then rank also provide adjusted rankings for the positional value of PG's (I'll get into that later).
I judged players based on their statistical resume only. That would hurt someone such as Jason Kidd who is shutting down his man as we don’t have an easy way to track that. It helps someone such as Allan Houston or Larry Johnson, who have worse defense ratings. Again, there is not an easy way to track how the man they are guarding is performing.
So how does my statistical measure work? I basically created a statistic I am calling added value. I use a combination of offensive efficiency and the generation (or lack thereof) of additional possessions, and compare that to the “average”. So, if someone was exactly average in terms of points per shot, turnovers, steals, blocks, and rebounds, they would have a value of zero points added (again, compared to an “average” player). Note assists are not worth anything here. I think my methodology is pretty sound, but would welcome feedback.
To get a little more granular, if someone shoots above league average, they are adding points to their team compared to an average player taking those shots. If they get steals or rebounds at an above average rate (I use per minute), they are getting their team extra possessions compared to the average player, and those extra possessions are worth points to the team!
Anyway, onto my all-league selections.
ALL LEAGUE TEAMS
First Team
Steve Nash/Michael Jordan/Dirk Nowitzi/Tim Duncan/Kevin Garnett
Duncan lead the league in my points added per game metric at 7.3 with a very efficient 30 points, 14 boards, 3 blocks, a steal, and two turnovers per game… MJ was number two by my points added statistic, with as many steals as turnovers and 8 boards per game as a guard… I’m cheating a bit at SF, but Dirk did play there. He checked in as my number 3 overall player, leading the league in points and flirting with a 50/80/50 season, with 11 rebounds a game to boot… KG may surprise people, but his great free throw shooting and 5.4 stocks/game are golden... Nash was easily the best PG in the league, barely missing a 50/90/40 season, and I don’t even give credit for assists!
Read until the end to see where he ranks overall after considering that he plays the scarce PG position...
Second Team
Jamal Crawford/Allan Houston/Ray Allen/Larry Johnson/Alonzo Mourning
J-Craw was easily the second best PG this season, with an efficient 28 ppg and just 1.5 turnovers at a position where turnovers run rampant… The 2-guard is insanely deep with H20’s 29 ppg on 50/92/46 shooting only cracking the second team… I had to cheat a little again and put Ray at SF here, he shot crazy good and had more steals than turnovers… LJ was not a top 10 player but PF is pretty barren. He did put up 25/10 on very good %’s and under 2 topg, just lacks stocks… Zo had another monster season, 24/14/4 blocks plus a steal is nasty – better than Shaq in my opinion!
Third Team
Chauncey Billups/Allen Iverson/Kobe Bryant/David Robinson/Shaquille O’Neal
Billups is barely a top 25 guy if you disregard positions, but he was definitely the third best point guard this season and has good positional value. 26 points a game on high efficiency plus low turnovers, especially for a PG… AI was a top 10 guy this season by my metric, but SG is insane! 27 points and 2.6 steals per game on 49/86/38 splits is flat out amazing… Again cheated at SF putting a SG there, Kobe is already very legit with 30 points, 7 boards, and 2 steals per game with good %’s… Twin towers here with D-Rob at the four, PF is barren as I already said. Not eye-popping stats but 4.1 stocks vs 1.7 to’s, plus an efficient 14 points and strong 11 boards per game… Shaq’s 26/14/3 blocks per game are head-turning, but the missed free throws and turnovers knock him down to the third team…
TOP 25
Here’s the top 25 without considering positional value…
1. Duncan – 550 points added, 7.3/game
2. Jordan – 374, 5.3/g
3. Dirk – 409, 5.0/g
4. KG – 351, 4.3/g
5. H20 – 319, 4.3/g
6. Ray Allen – 215, 4.2/g
7. AI – 315, 4.1/g
8. Kobe – 211, 4.1/g
9. Ricky Davis – 255, 3.7/g, this guy is insanely good, he would be top 5 if done on a per minute basis. 50/88/43 slash line with more steals than turnovers…
10. Mourning – 289, 3.6/g
11. Nash – 266, 3.6/g
12. Vince Carter – 242, 3.6/g, shooting guard is so deep it is crazy! Averaging 29/8 on very good shooting and you’re still only 7th best at the position? Wild.
13. LJ – 261, 3.2/g
14. Shaq – 236, 3.1/g
15. D-Rob – 210, 2.7/g
16. Toine – 212, 2.6/g, this guy looks pretty good now that he actually hits shots and has more stocks than turnovers. The scoring and rebounding was always going to be there.
17. Big Dog Glenn Robinson – 213, 2.6/g, Utah’s third entry on this list, an efficient 22 points, 7 boards, and more stocks than turnovers. Yes please.
18. J-Craw – 211, 2.6/g
19. C-Webb – 193, 2.5/g, pretty solid, but his 3 topg hold him back. He’s efficient but not ultra-efficient.
20. KVH – 205, 2.5/g. I actually expected him to rank higher but he could up his free throw and three point % a little bit and get the stocks up a little. Not bad though!
Next 5: Pierce, T-Mac, Brian Grant, Billups, Grant Hill
ADJUSTING FOR PG's
When adjusting for positional value, I calculated value for PG’s compared to the average PG. For non-PG’s, I calculated the value compared to the average non-PG. I did this breakout for a few reasons. First, there are positional limitations for PGs but not other positions. Most other guys have at least two options of positions they could play. Second, PG is pretty barren across the league. Third, the guy playing PG will naturally have more turnovers, it is just the nature of the game, and everyone has to start one…
So how does that change things if we adjust the PG’s? The list looks different for sure. How different? Nash jumps all the way up to #2, and Crawford jumps up to #5. Billups would make the leap all the way to #11. Bobby Jackson would climb all the way up to #25 as well.
ANYONE ELSE?
If you have someone that you are curious to know how they rank in this metric, let me know in the thread and I'll provide you the answer!
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