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Post by Lasagna and tears of failure on Jun 18, 2020 6:48:39 GMT -8
Red’s 03 Round Up
 Well gents it’s time we look at last season and see who’s been ruling the roost at each position. To qualify for this list to be compared by the time tested RPEF you must either avg 15+ points aa game or 10+ boards a game. Next season, I’ll add 3+stocks a game just to see if that gets more big men listed, as the C position is the least represented position out there. The 2 elite Centers are Zo and Ben with RPEFs over 25. Shaq, Zach, and Yao isn’t a new dance move, it’s the studs of the game that can carry a team. Ben being the only guy on the list to not score 20Ppg, or even 10Ppg, managed to get his insane RPEF via boards and an amazing Stocks/TO rate.
Onto the PF we go and the guys with eye popping numbers are KG and Duncan. Timmy is still the top dawg by a large margin, but KG has gotten better and closed the gap. Shawn Marion coming in with a 25+ rating rounds out the studs of the PF’s. PF has the most 20+ RPEF guys as everyone of them that met minimum qualifications scored 20 or higher via the formula. The guys scoring highest in SF were TMac, Vince, walker and Van Horn. Now if Van Horn would have been listed as a SG his numbers there would have not been good enough to be mentioned, in the header paragraph. SF is one of two positions that has no one scoring above a 23 RPEF, though TMac came close. It’ll be interesting going forward if this trend continues. After being second fiddle to MJ the first two seasons, AI finally took top honors as the best SG in the league. His tenacious D is with 3.5 stocks/pg along with the high flying 32.2 Ppg is what elevated him above his Airness in MJs final season in the league. Kobe rounds out the 3rd 25+ RPEF SG, and the three of them were separated by 0.134 points. Talk about a photo finish for AI to bring home the top spot at SG. Onto the top Points in the league, and this is the second position with no 23+ RPEF players. Some would say that is because assists are not rewarded in the RPEF, and while we all know assists are meaningless, I noticed something interesting last season. The top 4 teams in wins, were also the top 4 teams in total number of team assists per game. Could it be that assists are actually important for winning in FBB? Anyway, I digress, lets look and the top PG’s were Nash, Bibby, Arenas and Kidd. Crawford leads the pack of four in the honorable mention category. Now we get into pure scoring analysis and the first bunch is ranked on their ability to score per shot attempted Points per Shot as it is labeled. What we see on this is the small guys rule the roost as there is only a single C or PF on the list Curry. Pure shooting is nice for the Celtics as AI, Bibby are listed, but their other wing Battier would have made the list had he qualified for the minimum points per game.
Now when we look at points generated with ball in hand, BihP, then some of the big men make an appearance with Zach becoming the best scoring bigman per attempt. The top 4 on both lists are the same, Houston, Bryant, Allen and Iverson.  Points per shot is just that, total points from FGs and 3pointers divided by FGA. Ball in players hand is the same but it also looks at FT’s too, basically it comes down to, every time a person tries to score, this is their average per attempt. The guys that have the highest BihP are the guys you want to have the ball in one position game with time running out. I looked at the PER formula by John Hollinger, and realized while I would not mind programming it, doing it in excel would blow chunks. So I looked at combining a basic version of his idea with the outdated ( (ppg+R+A+B+S-TO) to come up with a rating that not only rewarded a good EFT, but also penalized people from missing fee points. I’m sure Shaq hates this formula that I developed. While it really hurt his points portion of the formula, his nonstop rebounding and the best assist per game rate of any of the Centers has him as one of the best Centers in the game. Now to validate the formula I looked at historical data of some of the best players to ever play the game and then further tweaked the formula to reward steals a tad more than blocks as a block doesn’t automatically cause a turnover. At no point was the PEF copied or tweaked, just a few ideas about what he has done. That said assists are going even more down in value that they have now. |
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Post by Orlando Magic Johnson on Jun 18, 2020 6:53:51 GMT -8
nice!
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Post by frangie on Jun 18, 2020 7:06:40 GMT -8
A yeomans effort as always.
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Post by Go Niners on Jun 18, 2020 7:08:45 GMT -8
Where is the Magliorean line?
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Post by frangie on Jun 18, 2020 7:12:57 GMT -8
My top 5 by position last season
Zo, Randolph, Ming, Shaq, Wallace
Duncan, KG, D Rob, Grant, Marion, Dirk
KVH, TMac, Vince, Big Dog, LJ
Kobe, AI, Houston, Jordan,DD, Allen
Nash, Crawford, Arenas, Parker, Bibby
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Post by Royal on Jun 18, 2020 7:13:49 GMT -8
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Post by Lasagna and tears of failure on Jun 18, 2020 7:16:12 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 7:17:30 GMT -8
"The top 4 teams in wins, were also the top 4 teams in total number of team assists per game. Could it be that assists are actually important for winning in FBB?"
you're working backwards here from the fact that winning teams tend to be high-scoring teams. that doesn't suggest either that they score because they have high assists or that they have high assists because they score. in any event, the fbb range in APG is so negligible that there's basically no range if you factor in pace.
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Post by Lasagna and tears of failure on Jun 18, 2020 7:20:28 GMT -8
My top 5 by position last season Zo, Randolph, Ming, Shaq, Wallace Duncan, KG, D Rob, Grant, Marion, Dirk KVH, TMac, Vince, Big Dog, LJ Kobe, AI, Houston, Jordan,DD, Allen Nash, Crawford, Arenas, Parker, Bibby something is wrong if you have dirk over sheed. Shed was 20/13 with 2x better stocks... dirk was 23/10.. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 7:21:13 GMT -8
My top 5 by position last season Zo, Randolph, Ming, Shaq, Wallace Duncan, KG, D Rob, Grant, Marion, Dirk KVH, TMac, Vince, Big Dog, LJ Kobe, AI, Houston, Jordan,DD, Allen Nash, Crawford, Arenas, Parker, Bibby something is wrong if you have dirk over sheed. Shed was 20/13 with 2x better stocks... dirk was 23/10.. WHAT |
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Post by Lasagna and tears of failure on Jun 18, 2020 7:21:17 GMT -8
"The top 4 teams in wins, were also the top 4 teams in total number of team assists per game. Could it be that assists are actually important for winning in FBB?" you're working backwards here from the fact that winning teams tend to be high-scoring teams. that doesn't suggest either that they score because they have high assists or that they have high assists because they score. in any event, the fbb range in APG is so negligible that there's basically no range if you factor in pace. just making sure people read |
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Post by Go Niners on Jun 18, 2020 7:21:31 GMT -8
"The top 4 teams in wins, were also the top 4 teams in total number of team assists per game. Could it be that assists are actually important for winning in FBB""
Assists are just awarded at random usually to players with higher passing. Gil and Crawford have low passing yet averaging over 7 assists because they're on teams that score.
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Post by Lasagna and tears of failure on Jun 18, 2020 7:21:51 GMT -8
Where is the Magliorean line? 18.233 career |
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Post by Go Niners on Jun 18, 2020 7:22:35 GMT -8
Where is the Magliorean line? 18.233 career Ty, just wanted some reference lol |
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Post by Lasagna and tears of failure on Jun 18, 2020 7:22:36 GMT -8
"The top 4 teams in wins, were also the top 4 teams in total number of team assists per game. Could it be that assists are actually important for winning in FBB"" Assists are just awarded at random usually to players with higher passing. Gil and Crawford have low passing yet averaging over 7 assists because they're on teams that score. had to put something controversial in |
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Post by Lasagna and tears of failure on Jun 18, 2020 7:23:04 GMT -8
Ty, just wanted some reference lol had it computed and forgot to include it |
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Post by 2 years left on Jun 18, 2020 7:24:56 GMT -8
Where is Pipcock
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Post by Lasagna and tears of failure on Jun 18, 2020 7:25:48 GMT -8
A yeomans effort as always. dont forget to rock the vote! |
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Post by Stevie B on Jun 18, 2020 7:32:08 GMT -8
something is wrong if you have dirk over sheed. Shed was 20/13 with 2x better stocks... dirk was 23/10.. WHAT |
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Post by the original michael on Jun 18, 2020 7:33:18 GMT -8
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Post by frangie on Jun 18, 2020 7:47:09 GMT -8
My top 5 by position last season Zo, Randolph, Ming, Shaq, Wallace Duncan, KG, D Rob, Grant, Marion, Dirk KVH, TMac, Vince, Big Dog, LJ Kobe, AI, Houston, Jordan,DD, Allen Nash, Crawford, Arenas, Parker, Bibby something is wrong if you have dirk over sheed. Shed was 20/13 with 2x better stocks... dirk was 23/10.. It was close. Dirk generated 146 more points on 28 less possessions (including ftas), in five less games. It depends on how you value rebounds. The extra three rebounds per game that Sheed had, if you replaced sheed with dirk, would your team rebounding go down by 3 per game? I tend to think not. It would go down some, but your center would likely average more rebounds too. |
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Post by Lasagna and tears of failure on Jun 18, 2020 7:48:37 GMT -8
he only avg 13.5 Ppg last season, but this is how he looked
PpS BihP EFT% RPEF
1.084 1.148 0.542 19.182
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Post by Lasagna and tears of failure on Jun 18, 2020 7:50:54 GMT -8
something is wrong if you have dirk over sheed. Shed was 20/13 with 2x better stocks... dirk was 23/10.. It was close. Dirk generated 146 more points on 28 less possessions (including ftas), in five less games. It depends on how you value rebounds. The extra three rebounds per game that Sheed had, if you replaced sheed with dirk, would your team rebounding go down by 3 per game? I tend to think not. It would go down some, but your center would likely average more rebounds too. it would go down and points allowed would go up 2.8 stocks to 1.2 |
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Post by 2 years left on Jun 18, 2020 7:56:35 GMT -8
Pippen was better than Larry Johnson hue
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Post by frangie on Jun 18, 2020 8:03:20 GMT -8
Pippen was better than Larry Johnson hue Lol what? |
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Post by frangie on Jun 18, 2020 8:08:14 GMT -8
It was close. Dirk generated 146 more points on 28 less possessions (including ftas), in five less games. It depends on how you value rebounds. The extra three rebounds per game that Sheed had, if you replaced sheed with dirk, would your team rebounding go down by 3 per game? I tend to think not. It would go down some, but your center would likely average more rebounds too. it would go down and points allowed would go up 2.8 stocks to 1.2 Ok 1.6 stocks per game is worth how much over the course of the season? I have a number. That’s what I use in my formulas. Then you compare that to the extra points Dirk generated shooting. And factor in that he used less possessions. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 8:09:48 GMT -8
it would go down and points allowed would go up 2.8 stocks to 1.2 Ok 1.6 stocks per game is worth how much over the course of the season? I have a number. That’s what I use in my formulas. Then you compare that to the extra points Dirk generated shooting. And factor in that he used less possessions. celts were like -5 on the glass and dirk and sheed had the same rebounding grade |
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Post by Lasagna and tears of failure on Jun 18, 2020 8:15:22 GMT -8
off to get my daughter, bbl8r
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Post by Skillz on Jun 18, 2020 8:35:01 GMT -8
"The top 4 teams in wins, were also the top 4 teams in total number of team assists per game. Could it be that assists are actually important for winning in FBB?" you're working backwards here from the fact that winning teams tend to be high-scoring teams. that doesn't suggest either that they score because they have high assists or that they have high assists because they score. in any event, the fbb range in APG is so negligible that there's basically no range if you factor in pace. This |
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Post by chipper on Jun 18, 2020 8:53:50 GMT -8
I REALLY wanna know how bad Tinsley was
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