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Post by Braz on Jan 25, 2023 14:55:19 GMT -8
Is it a dumb idea to make a thread where a Gm can post what he wants to do. And within 3 sims Spencer will just say yes or no. More work I guess but how often is this happening?
Example- magic saying they want to start herm over bob or Stew over jabali since he traded for him and needs to prob keep one trade one. But can only really see the value of a player is an option or certain spot
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Post by Lasagna and tears of failure on Jan 25, 2023 14:55:39 GMT -8
Once again this is unfortunately about the people that misuse these things. Its the same as a frenzy trade or posting for rewards. Some people try and diligently uphold the integrity of the rule..others bend the integrity to get the reward. yeah I can see that. "Hey man this is just for one sim"... and then "well I went to a cabin, no internet, work got busy..." |
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Post by Spencer on Jan 25, 2023 14:56:50 GMT -8
Im fine with post deadline experimentation within reason.. Once again Im still having trouble with the argument that somewhow Embry or loughery shiuld be above cazzie in okp. What's within reason? That's a difficult part because right now it's about options but next time it could be something more borderline. I guess figuring out what that line is and putting it on paper so to speak makes it easier for you in the long run? Much of it needs to be discretion tho because for example... i didnt think petrie over wilkens was that big of a deal but i do think embry over cazzie is. I guess mostly because wilkens isnt valued in a league where multiple teams need pg backups. Also because embry in my estimation wont look better with more touches. And loughery wont look better with more tos. |
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Post by Spencer on Jan 25, 2023 14:57:51 GMT -8
Is it a dumb idea to make a thread where a Gm can post what he wants to do. And within 3 sims Spencer will just say yes or no. More work I guess but how often is this happening? Example- magic saying they want to start herm over bob or Stew over jabali since he traded for him and needs to prob keep one trade one. But can only really see the value of a player is an option or certain spot Once again this is about changing it back. Which is why a post deadline experimentation works. |
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Post by Spencer on Jan 25, 2023 14:58:37 GMT -8
Once again this is unfortunately about the people that misuse these things. Its the same as a frenzy trade or posting for rewards. Some people try and diligently uphold the integrity of the rule..others bend the integrity to get the reward. yeah I can see that. "Hey man this is just for one sim"... and then "well I went to a cabin, no internet, work got busy..." Exactly. And it may be truth. It may be real. But then that GM had the advantage of not playing within the rules while other tankers did. |
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Post by Braz on Jan 25, 2023 14:58:50 GMT -8
Is it a dumb idea to make a thread where a Gm can post what he wants to do. And within 3 sims Spencer will just say yes or no. More work I guess but how often is this happening? Example- magic saying they want to start herm over bob or Stew over jabali since he traded for him and needs to prob keep one trade one. But can only really see the value of a player is an option or certain spot Once again this is about changing it back. Which is why a post deadline experimentation works. true makes sense on the change back |
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Post by Lasagna and tears of failure on Jan 25, 2023 14:59:19 GMT -8
Is it a dumb idea to make a thread where a Gm can post what he wants to do. And within 3 sims Spencer will just say yes or no. More work I guess but how often is this happening? Example- magic saying they want to start herm over bob or Stew over jabali since he traded for him and needs to prob keep one trade one. But can only really see the value of a player is an option or certain spot Once again this is about changing it back. Which is why a post deadline experimentation works. I like that cause I always win a ton the last 2 sims when I tank... tankapolooza |
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Post by Braz on Jan 25, 2023 14:59:25 GMT -8
Wish there was something more exciting to do in rebuilding phase vs just watching your team suck. But that’s a dif topic
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Post by Spencer on Jan 25, 2023 15:00:53 GMT -8
Wish there was something more exciting to do in rebuilding phase vs just watching your team suck. But that’s a dif topic I think thats an overstatement. You can do lots of different things that dont include bencing your best player or making bad scorers top options. |
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Post by Braz on Jan 25, 2023 15:04:33 GMT -8
Wish there was something more exciting to do in rebuilding phase vs just watching your team suck. But that’s a dif topic I think thats an overstatement. You can do lots of different things that dont include bencing your best player or making bad scorers top options. I mean it’s a generalization. lots of GMs go ghost when taking. We don’t have a d league to develop mid rounders and limited camps. If you don’t tank into top 5 or get lucky on someone dropping its hard to build through draft. Hence why we have ppl so up in arms on ppl tanking to gain advantage. Those top spots are the clear cut way to build. This is in no way a knock on draft quality just the realty of building a team and how GMs do it |
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Post by Braz on Jan 25, 2023 15:05:44 GMT -8
Then if you have a bunch of mid round guys and they can’t get minutes. Know who’s good etc those picks were useless
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Post by Spencer on Jan 25, 2023 15:27:03 GMT -8
Then if you have a bunch of mid round guys and they can’t get minutes. Know who’s good etc those picks were useless If theyre interchangeable then you can interchange then though. If you have better players on your roster then yes you cannot showcase your worse players |
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Post by Braz on Jan 25, 2023 15:29:44 GMT -8
Then if you have a bunch of mid round guys and they can’t get minutes. Know who’s good etc those picks were useless If theyre interchangeable then you can interchange then though. If you have better players on your roster then yes you cannot showcase your worse players I guess the thing is how do you know if they are interchangeable if letter ratings don’t mean shit the way you build players and you haven’t seen them sim. I guess pulling from minimal sim stats as 3rd string? |
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Post by Spencer on Jan 25, 2023 15:31:01 GMT -8
I feel like there is still a ton of leeway in experimentation just not when players are clearly inferior
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Post by Spencer on Jan 25, 2023 15:32:00 GMT -8
If theyre interchangeable then you can interchange then though. If you have better players on your roster then yes you cannot showcase your worse players I guess the thing is how do you know if they are interchangeable if letter ratings don’t mean shit the way you build players and you haven’t seen them sim. I guess pulling from minimal sim stats as 3rd string? Show me an example i guess. Im not really understanding. If the draft pick isnt good enough to start them trade the players that are better than him. |
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Post by Braz on Jan 25, 2023 15:36:59 GMT -8
I feel like there is still a ton of leeway in experimentation just not when players are clearly inferior yeah and maybe it’s just like a Gm who’s good at evaluation of talent (not me) to propose a how to. Step 1. Make the guy third string see how his % look in few min. Step 2. If good move them up in the dc maybe backing up 2 spots. Still not an option, not starting over someone else. Step 3. If that guy balls out or shows good per 36 can have a reason to keep going. |
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Post by Braz on Jan 25, 2023 15:38:07 GMT -8
I guess the thing is how do you know if they are interchangeable if letter ratings don’t mean shit the way you build players and you haven’t seen them sim. I guess pulling from minimal sim stats as 3rd string? Show me an example i guess. Im not really understanding. If the draft pick isnt good enough to start them trade the players that are better than him. I wish I had a perfect one. Just trying to spit ball/ ideate so improve the clarity on what good talent development looks like while tanking. I guess a main case is a team who’s had more than 5 picks over 2 seasons. Only so many spots. Lots to evaluate. Appreciate the response |
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Post by Spencer on Jan 25, 2023 15:44:46 GMT -8
I feel like there is still a ton of leeway in experimentation just not when players are clearly inferior yeah and maybe it’s just like a Gm who’s good at evaluation of talent (not me) to propose a how to. Step 1. Make the guy third string see how his % look in few min. Step 2. If good move them up in the dc maybe backing up 2 spots. Still not an option, not starting over someone else. Step 3. If that guy balls out or shows good per 36 can have a reason to keep going. If you give me stats and reasoning im more likely to allow it. Im not impervious to facts! |
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Post by Brophdog88 on Jan 25, 2023 15:51:28 GMT -8
I really should try to tank harder when I tank
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Post by Play on Jan 25, 2023 17:01:48 GMT -8
the entire experimenting shit is straight BS and shouldn't be allowed
teams need to play their best players period. not sure how hard that is to understand for some pepole
so many guys get away with bullshit while tanking, while others get put on the spot right away.
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Post by Play on Jan 25, 2023 17:02:59 GMT -8
maybe first sim experimenting and thats it? but im not a fan of experimenting at all if a team is tanking
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Post by Braz on Jan 25, 2023 17:14:20 GMT -8
maybe first sim experimenting and thats it? but im not a fan of experimenting at all if a team is tanking I just think experimenting shouldn’t be thought of as a bad thing or a move that would make you lose more. But past gives reason for why we feel that of course. I think it’s very clear when a vet is being benched but not as clear if you have all youth and they all are mid or kinda suck. Ideally you pm Spencer for pre season and learn what you need to but that doesn’t help for acquired talent Sadly any rule we make someone will find a loophole |
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Post by Spencer on Jan 25, 2023 17:31:54 GMT -8
maybe first sim experimenting and thats it? but im not a fan of experimenting at all if a team is tanking I just think experimenting shouldn’t be thought of as a bad thing or a move that would make you lose more. But past gives reason for why we feel that of course. I think it’s very clear when a vet is being benched but not as clear if you have all youth and they all are mid or kinda suck. Ideally you pm Spencer for pre season and learn what you need to but that doesn’t help for acquired talent Sadly any rule we make someone will find a loophole We can always change rules, the ideal is to see problems and fix them. I think allowing for experimentation for Days 111-120 makes sense. I also think tanking teams can do more to learn about their players that is clearly within the rules. Thats up to them. |
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Post by Outlawz on Jan 25, 2023 20:02:50 GMT -8
My situation is just trying to showcase embry and loughery more so i can move em for pieces better suited to my team
The best players are playing
The best dc is made
Cazzie is still an option
Loughery scoring numbers are very similar too caz and he even has a higher 3 pt percentage.
Im not trying to option scrubs either. Embry/caz/loughery have been my 3 options all season.
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Post by Outlawz on Jan 25, 2023 20:16:21 GMT -8
I have no idea what you are talking about. My comment was about a one sim DC that I put in to see if someone could be a good SG, and moved TVA to super sub. We're constantly told to try things because rating can mean nothing, but during a tank you aren't allowed to try things. Ill explain this. Because some GMs try and cheat under the guise of "experimenting". I dont think anyone is gonna value Embry or Loughery more or less based on how they sim as 1 and 2 options but i do think his team will perform worse. Do i know more about fbb then outlawz? Probably not. Do i know exactly what will happen? No. But experimentinh with DCs should be when youre winning not when youre tanking I should be allowed to try because of trade value. If they were expiring then cool i get it. But i waa trying to find a reason to move these guys. Even if its the slightest chance. And if something good comes out of it i got more argument to guys who could possibly be interested. I wanted to try cus the deadline was coming up. But if not fuck it then i know im fucked lol |
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Post by Spencer on Jan 25, 2023 20:34:57 GMT -8
Ill explain this. Because some GMs try and cheat under the guise of "experimenting". I dont think anyone is gonna value Embry or Loughery more or less based on how they sim as 1 and 2 options but i do think his team will perform worse. Do i know more about fbb then outlawz? Probably not. Do i know exactly what will happen? No. But experimentinh with DCs should be when youre winning not when youre tanking I should be allowed to try because of trade value. If they were expiring then cool i get it. But i waa trying to find a reason to move these guys. Even if its the slightest chance. And if something good comes out of it i got more argument to guys who could possibly be interested. I wanted to try cus the deadline was coming up. But if not fuck it then i know im fucked lol Im dont agree with anything youre saying. None of it makes sense to me. Feel free to do whatever you want with options for the last sim tho. |
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Post by Go Niners on Jan 25, 2023 20:39:07 GMT -8
Very slow
Never
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Balanced/inside
That's the KEY
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Post by Outlawz on Jan 28, 2023 13:00:38 GMT -8
I got 4
Obviously the league is divided. I think an experimenting stage from like 70-99
Couple sims before deadline?
Or first sim and last sim?
I think 3 sims is perfect
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Post by Outlawz on Jan 28, 2023 13:25:18 GMT -8
I should be allowed to try because of trade value. If they were expiring then cool i get it. But i waa trying to find a reason to move these guys. Even if its the slightest chance. And if something good comes out of it i got more argument to guys who could possibly be interested. I wanted to try cus the deadline was coming up. But if not fuck it then i know im fucked lol Im dont agree with anything youre saying. None of it makes sense to me. Feel free to do whatever you want with options for the last sim tho. You never seen players showcased in the nba or in any sport for the sake of moving them? Its your league though and i respect you dont care about my point of view |
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Post by The Cincinnati Paingals on Jan 28, 2023 13:26:49 GMT -8
No
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