Post by the original michael on May 26, 2023 10:56:56 GMT -8
1. The draft file is partially uploaded and we can see why there was so much excitement for this draft with Larry Bird and Magic Johnson at the top. Given their current ratings, who would you take 1st and why?
Go Niners : First off, both are game changers and whomever is lucky to get either should be incredibly happy. There is no wrong answer to this question, it's all about preference though I'm sure notes may make the choice easier. Honestly, Magic is 19 and has PG eligibility. Already a triple-double machine and as the stocks/outside improve, will easily be a game changer in the mold of an Robertson/St. Cloud/Doncic BUT if Larry gets SG-eligiblity, that could make things a lot interesting. I know Larry was never an SG irl but Spencer does love to make things interesting.
autumn harold : It’s close—let’s see the notes, stips, position eligibility stuff, etc., but off ratings I’d go Bird. Probably gets to A/A+ scoring with A- or better rebounding. Magic looks amazing and I’m sure his shooting will develop, but C outside is always risky.
Andrew : Probably will come down to the stips on Magic. It seems like wing/pg rebounding has become fairly inflated in recent years and A- or better reboudning bigs seem to be ubiquitous as well. Being able to play a far above average rebounder at PG is a pretty massive advantage. Assuming he is PG eligible, Magic's size and strength at the 1 are good offsets to his subpar outside shooting grade. He will dominate for years.
2. Outside of Magic and Larry, there’s some interesting consolation prizes. With a quick glance, we have Mychal Thompson and Cliff Robinson. Which of these guys (or another prospect I missed) should go third?
Go Niners : Mychal is father of Klay so obviously him. As cool as an 18 year old Cliff (not to be confused with Uncle Clifford Robinson) Robinson is, it has to be Klay's father right? Purvis Short is cool as is Phil Hubbard. Jerome Whitehead was former Warrior.
autumn harold : I’m sure there’s more to come but Cliff for now. He’s 18 and has A potential. I actually didn’t know there was another Cliff Robinson lol.
Andrew : Those two looks good but I could see someone like Jerome Whitehead potentially going third. Thomson looks more Day 1 ready given his grades but I feel like, at least anecdotally, there's a stigma about drafting someone with B scouted in the Top 3.
3. Now let’s go back to the most recent draft. After TC, Pre and S1 - how would your re draft look for the top 5?
Go Niners : Hmm, haven't been paying attention to these rookies, tbh it's nowhere near the class of last season BUT at a very quick glance- 1) Sikma looks so sick, 2) MRR I guess though he does look a bit underwhelming to me, 3) Tree looks like he'll be a damn good big for many years to come, 4) Cooper should be cool, 5) That Ballard guy in New Orleans could be a homeless man's Sikma so big shoutout to jahallstar .
Habes: Horrible TC for the draft class but not going to overreact. These guys had great notes and will get there. 1) Sikma, 2) Cooper, 3) Cheeks, 4) MRR, 5) Mitchell.
Andrew :I'll be honest with you I saved this question for last because I didn't have an informed opinion about redrafting the Top 5 and I still don't. With that said I'll be mailing this question in but will do my best to half ass it instead of quarter assing it.
1. Jack Sikma - The age old tradeoff between blocks and rebounds is the real argument here between putting Tree at 1 vs Sikma. Sikma doesn't look useless in the shot blocking department and it does seem like blocks are more likely to explode than rebounding is. Does everything else really well.
2. Tree Rollins - looks like he's already a Day 1 starter and stud shot blocker and does other things well like steals and handles.
3. Michael Cooper - nice grades but will most likely be raw for another season or two
4. Maurice Cheeks - can't remember where he was traded to and could very likely be higher.
5. MRR - no comment
4. Which prospect taken outside of last years lottery looks like the biggest steal? Which player in the lottery looks like the biggest bust?
Go Niners : So Toby Knight really stood out in pre, think he'll be damn good. As far as lotto pick being a bust, the Nuggets one loks so bleh.
autumn harold : Kenny Carr looks great. My boy Billy Ray got to B-/B+/B-/B/C uncamped so he should be nice. Toronto’s big looks good too.
Andrew : didnt answer**
5. With all of these tanking teams, a title is within reach for nearly every team that wants a chance to compete. The Hawks were my early season favorite, but they got off to a slow start and maybe have taken a step back. Who do you think has a chance to take home the ring?
Go Niners : I do feel like once the Wizards figure it out, they'll be tough. Love the Pistons roster too. Still think Hawks take it though. Also do watch out for Celtics, we coming in hot.
autumn harold : Still the Hawks for me. If they don’t heal Moses, they could miss out on the first seed, but I still don’t see any threats.
Andrew : The Hawks don't look too great after one sim, but I am sure they will win 50+ easily. More than anything, I wouldn't call ATL the favorites strictly because of how difficult it is to 3peat regardless of how stacked your roster is. The Nets and Pistons look like offsensive powerhouses and could make a run. DET needs some help on the glass. The Spurs had a really nice TC and I'm interested to see a few more sims out of them since their current 6-2 record is not reflective of their ppg differential through their first 8 games of the season.
6. Which trade this past offseason shifted the balance and changed the FBB landscape as we know it?
Go Niners : The Dan Issel deals. One got voided and the most vocal opponent of the deal was able to pick up Issel. Quite an interesting turn, I must say. But as far as long term ramifications of trading continuously protected picks, I do wonder if it will lead to a rule change. Then Issel going to Wizards is wild as they already added Marv and BT so have a ton of scorers. I would also have to say Bob Love to Pistons. The Pistons had gone into a 30 day tank and now they're back on the map. Also Elmore Smith to Philly will be interesting depending on what Philly is able to surround him with.
autumn harold : Underwhelming offseason IMO. The Lanier deal put the Bulls in contention but still don’t think they’re a threat to the Hawks. The trade market is so bad right now.
Andrew : I don't think there was a trade in the offseason that shifted the balance of power of BBS per se although I admittedly was just coming back and trying to focus on trading my guys. If my Issel trade with Ahasn went through that probably would've shifted the way a lot of trades were conducted and was a very obvious work around so I am glad Spence voided it. To answer the question though I think play acquiring Lanier is probably the trade that improved a teams roster the most so I will go with that.
7. Many GMs here fall in love with players and hoard them until they are in their mid to late 30s, then get aggravated when they finally decide to trade them, however, their value is diminished. Personally, I like to sell high on all of my players and keep this never ending cycle going. What are your thoughts on this?
Go Niners : I usually do sell high but Kareem+Greg got the 100 potential reset for the millionth post reward so I don't really see them regressing anytime soon. They could both be elite until they retire. So I'll keep them because nobody would give up elite youth for dudes in their 30s in general which is fair due to risk of retirement.
autumn harold : It’s so hard to move guys when you move them, but you do get max value and end up in way better shape than guys who keep talent for too long. I think you’re the best in the league at tearing down and putting together great young cores, but not everyone can pull off getting value for studs in their prime. People get scared off by moves like the Twyman deal. But yeah, more guys should sell high rather than waste seasons with also-ran teams. More trading please.
Andrew : In many ways I feel like this is justified, especially if you have a perennial all star on your squad. Not only might that player be irreplaceable by any player in the file, but GM's are often unwilling to give up appropriate compensation. There's definitely a lot to be said about hanging onto studs (thinking of svedda's continued success with Kawhi for 10+ years), but there's also a lot to be said about the approach Aaron and Skillz take. Selling high on your players might come at the expense of fielding a true contender and takes a lot of mental energy to shop your guys around often, so I understand why some GM's dont take that approach. Overall it does seem like the GM's that sit on their hands have the least success (PHX GM)
8. Bonus: half the league is begging for ACs. Everyone spam tag Spencer until we get a PP.
Go Niners : Spencer , please give us PP. It's been a minute and we had a bunch of voided deals including one where me, your favorite GM, got screwed.
autumn harold : Spencer , one idea I had is that you could do a PP and a day sim today. Cheers?
Andrew : Spencer
Go Niners : First off, both are game changers and whomever is lucky to get either should be incredibly happy. There is no wrong answer to this question, it's all about preference though I'm sure notes may make the choice easier. Honestly, Magic is 19 and has PG eligibility. Already a triple-double machine and as the stocks/outside improve, will easily be a game changer in the mold of an Robertson/St. Cloud/Doncic BUT if Larry gets SG-eligiblity, that could make things a lot interesting. I know Larry was never an SG irl but Spencer does love to make things interesting.
autumn harold : It’s close—let’s see the notes, stips, position eligibility stuff, etc., but off ratings I’d go Bird. Probably gets to A/A+ scoring with A- or better rebounding. Magic looks amazing and I’m sure his shooting will develop, but C outside is always risky.
Andrew : Probably will come down to the stips on Magic. It seems like wing/pg rebounding has become fairly inflated in recent years and A- or better reboudning bigs seem to be ubiquitous as well. Being able to play a far above average rebounder at PG is a pretty massive advantage. Assuming he is PG eligible, Magic's size and strength at the 1 are good offsets to his subpar outside shooting grade. He will dominate for years.
2. Outside of Magic and Larry, there’s some interesting consolation prizes. With a quick glance, we have Mychal Thompson and Cliff Robinson. Which of these guys (or another prospect I missed) should go third?
Go Niners : Mychal is father of Klay so obviously him. As cool as an 18 year old Cliff (not to be confused with Uncle Clifford Robinson) Robinson is, it has to be Klay's father right? Purvis Short is cool as is Phil Hubbard. Jerome Whitehead was former Warrior.
autumn harold : I’m sure there’s more to come but Cliff for now. He’s 18 and has A potential. I actually didn’t know there was another Cliff Robinson lol.
Andrew : Those two looks good but I could see someone like Jerome Whitehead potentially going third. Thomson looks more Day 1 ready given his grades but I feel like, at least anecdotally, there's a stigma about drafting someone with B scouted in the Top 3.
3. Now let’s go back to the most recent draft. After TC, Pre and S1 - how would your re draft look for the top 5?
Go Niners : Hmm, haven't been paying attention to these rookies, tbh it's nowhere near the class of last season BUT at a very quick glance- 1) Sikma looks so sick, 2) MRR I guess though he does look a bit underwhelming to me, 3) Tree looks like he'll be a damn good big for many years to come, 4) Cooper should be cool, 5) That Ballard guy in New Orleans could be a homeless man's Sikma so big shoutout to jahallstar .
Habes: Horrible TC for the draft class but not going to overreact. These guys had great notes and will get there. 1) Sikma, 2) Cooper, 3) Cheeks, 4) MRR, 5) Mitchell.
Andrew :I'll be honest with you I saved this question for last because I didn't have an informed opinion about redrafting the Top 5 and I still don't. With that said I'll be mailing this question in but will do my best to half ass it instead of quarter assing it.
1. Jack Sikma - The age old tradeoff between blocks and rebounds is the real argument here between putting Tree at 1 vs Sikma. Sikma doesn't look useless in the shot blocking department and it does seem like blocks are more likely to explode than rebounding is. Does everything else really well.
2. Tree Rollins - looks like he's already a Day 1 starter and stud shot blocker and does other things well like steals and handles.
3. Michael Cooper - nice grades but will most likely be raw for another season or two
4. Maurice Cheeks - can't remember where he was traded to and could very likely be higher.
5. MRR - no comment
4. Which prospect taken outside of last years lottery looks like the biggest steal? Which player in the lottery looks like the biggest bust?
Go Niners : So Toby Knight really stood out in pre, think he'll be damn good. As far as lotto pick being a bust, the Nuggets one loks so bleh.
autumn harold : Kenny Carr looks great. My boy Billy Ray got to B-/B+/B-/B/C uncamped so he should be nice. Toronto’s big looks good too.
Andrew : didnt answer**
5. With all of these tanking teams, a title is within reach for nearly every team that wants a chance to compete. The Hawks were my early season favorite, but they got off to a slow start and maybe have taken a step back. Who do you think has a chance to take home the ring?
Go Niners : I do feel like once the Wizards figure it out, they'll be tough. Love the Pistons roster too. Still think Hawks take it though. Also do watch out for Celtics, we coming in hot.
autumn harold : Still the Hawks for me. If they don’t heal Moses, they could miss out on the first seed, but I still don’t see any threats.
Andrew : The Hawks don't look too great after one sim, but I am sure they will win 50+ easily. More than anything, I wouldn't call ATL the favorites strictly because of how difficult it is to 3peat regardless of how stacked your roster is. The Nets and Pistons look like offsensive powerhouses and could make a run. DET needs some help on the glass. The Spurs had a really nice TC and I'm interested to see a few more sims out of them since their current 6-2 record is not reflective of their ppg differential through their first 8 games of the season.
6. Which trade this past offseason shifted the balance and changed the FBB landscape as we know it?
Go Niners : The Dan Issel deals. One got voided and the most vocal opponent of the deal was able to pick up Issel. Quite an interesting turn, I must say. But as far as long term ramifications of trading continuously protected picks, I do wonder if it will lead to a rule change. Then Issel going to Wizards is wild as they already added Marv and BT so have a ton of scorers. I would also have to say Bob Love to Pistons. The Pistons had gone into a 30 day tank and now they're back on the map. Also Elmore Smith to Philly will be interesting depending on what Philly is able to surround him with.
autumn harold : Underwhelming offseason IMO. The Lanier deal put the Bulls in contention but still don’t think they’re a threat to the Hawks. The trade market is so bad right now.
Andrew : I don't think there was a trade in the offseason that shifted the balance of power of BBS per se although I admittedly was just coming back and trying to focus on trading my guys. If my Issel trade with Ahasn went through that probably would've shifted the way a lot of trades were conducted and was a very obvious work around so I am glad Spence voided it. To answer the question though I think play acquiring Lanier is probably the trade that improved a teams roster the most so I will go with that.
7. Many GMs here fall in love with players and hoard them until they are in their mid to late 30s, then get aggravated when they finally decide to trade them, however, their value is diminished. Personally, I like to sell high on all of my players and keep this never ending cycle going. What are your thoughts on this?
Go Niners : I usually do sell high but Kareem+Greg got the 100 potential reset for the millionth post reward so I don't really see them regressing anytime soon. They could both be elite until they retire. So I'll keep them because nobody would give up elite youth for dudes in their 30s in general which is fair due to risk of retirement.
autumn harold : It’s so hard to move guys when you move them, but you do get max value and end up in way better shape than guys who keep talent for too long. I think you’re the best in the league at tearing down and putting together great young cores, but not everyone can pull off getting value for studs in their prime. People get scared off by moves like the Twyman deal. But yeah, more guys should sell high rather than waste seasons with also-ran teams. More trading please.
Andrew : In many ways I feel like this is justified, especially if you have a perennial all star on your squad. Not only might that player be irreplaceable by any player in the file, but GM's are often unwilling to give up appropriate compensation. There's definitely a lot to be said about hanging onto studs (thinking of svedda's continued success with Kawhi for 10+ years), but there's also a lot to be said about the approach Aaron and Skillz take. Selling high on your players might come at the expense of fielding a true contender and takes a lot of mental energy to shop your guys around often, so I understand why some GM's dont take that approach. Overall it does seem like the GM's that sit on their hands have the least success (PHX GM)
8. Bonus: half the league is begging for ACs. Everyone spam tag Spencer until we get a PP.
Go Niners : Spencer , please give us PP. It's been a minute and we had a bunch of voided deals including one where me, your favorite GM, got screwed.
autumn harold : Spencer , one idea I had is that you could do a PP and a day sim today. Cheers?
Andrew : Spencer
