Post by nybombers3 on Oct 28, 2023 8:02:24 GMT -8
In 2059, Fat Lever entered BBS. Then in 2060, Magic came on. Finally, MRR joined in 2063. SF's playing PG is not a brand-new concept. After all, we've seen the greatness of players like LeBron, Oscar and Cloud running things at PG. We've also seen the busts like Ben Simmons and Russell Westbrook attempt the same. So, what feels different right now? In a time where we've gotten past complaints of SGs with high rebounds and bigs playing SFs, these rare commodities appear to be running things in BBS currently. Are they helping to bring down the value of other "true" point guards, helping the current trade market crumble like Spencer 's sanity every time greeme posts a trade he has to decipher? That's for you to decide. Let's start looking at the most in-your-face stats:
- Since 2063, at least one of these players has been a part of the conference finals. Digging deeper, in the last 4 seasons, at least one of these players has been involved in the finals. In 3 of those seasons, one of them has won, with the Moses (potential GOAT) led Hawks being the odd winner here.
-Since 2062, one of these players has won the MVP every season (Fat, 67), Magic (66, 64, 63, 62), and MRR (65). Obviously, winning MVP isn't the biggest deal but it's interesting to see how important FBB deems these players.
Regular Season Stats:
So we know FBB thinks of these guys are top tier and they are clear winners. How do their stats stack up to "regular PG's"? Well, we are going to attempt to stack them up against the other 26 starting PG's. Some caveats before we dig into our stats.
1. I am only looking at starting PG's from the roster pages. So, if your starting PG for most of the season played 78 games, I can't make up for those missing 4 games.
2. Shooting percentages are a bit tricky to do. I did it a bit of a different way but it may not click with the rest of the stats. You all will be ok.
So, what do we have?
The other 26 starting PG's in BBS, last season, averaged 21 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 9.3 apg, 1.6 spg, 0.3 bpg and 2.5 tpg.
The 3 SF PGs averaged 31.7 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 11.1 apg, 2.4 spg, 0.7 bpg, 2.3 tpg.
We'll get to the shooting percentages in a second but just looking at these stats, the SF PGs averaged 10.7 more ppg, 4 more rebounds, 1.8 assists per game. .6 steals per game, a tad more blocks per game and .2 less turnovers per game. So, essentially, they are obviously better.
Shooting Percentages:
So, looking at shooting percentages, we're going to look at them as is and compare them. I thought about going based of their actual shots from their roster pages but I'd like to maintain some semblance of sanity. Thank you for your understanding. As I said, I will be taking them at face value, directly from rosters.
So, taking the worst shooting percentage out of the three SF PG's (0.476 by MRR), the PG's that shot better than that from the field are:
Craig Hodges, Doc Rivers, Dave Twardzik. Ricky Green, George Karl, Michael Adams and Gerald Henderson.
Next, looking at FT shooting, we'll do something similar. The worst was Magic Johnson at 83%. From the line, every PG but Darrell Valentine, and Darrell Walker shot better then Magic.
Lastly, 3pt shooting was alone brought down by Magic as well, with him shooting .378 from 3. Aside from Sleepy Flloyd, John Stockton, Charles Johnson, Doc Rivers, Isiah Thomas, Vern Fleming, Slick Watts and Darrell Walker, all other starting PG's shot better then Magic from 3.
So, at least when it comes to shooting percentages, Craig Hodges, Michael Adams, Gerald Henderson, Dave Twardzik, Rick Green, George Karl shot better then the lowest of the three percentages (0.476 from the field, .83 from the line and .378 from 3).
So, I decided to start off by picking the lowest from each shooting percentage but what if we picked the middle instead? There are three after all. Without adding another wall of text, the PG's that shot better if we picked the middle percentages (0.484 from the field, 0.852 from the line and 0.389 from 3pt) are now Craig Hodges, Dave Twardzik and Ricky Green. I think we have a good idea as to who these fellas are at this point. With Craig Hodges specifically, does this mean he's near the value and skillset of these SF PGs? Really, not really.
Playoff PG's:
So, we took these SF PG's and compared them to all other starting PGs. I hear you say, wait, there are a lot of shitty starting PGs. Yes, you would be right. So, for this next section, we will remove non-playoff teams and just compare playoff PG's to these SF PGs.
With 16 playoff teams, 3 of them being SF PGs, we're going to take those other 13 starting PGs and compare them to the stats of the SF PGs.
Looking back, the SF PGs put up: 31.7 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 11.1 apg, 2.4 spg, 0.7 bpg, 2.3 tpg.
The other 13 starting PGs put up: 22.7 ppg, 5 rpg, 10 apg, 1.7 spg, 0.3 bpg, 2.4 tpg.
Are these stats better than looking at all actual PGs? Yes. Are they close to the SF PGs? Eh. Still a bit away. Yes, we are using regular season stats here but that's the main stat we have.
Conclusion:
So, looking at this whole article, are these SF PGs the real "cheat code" of BBS? Are they that far ahead the rest of the PG crop right now? Are they going to be running things for the foreseeable future? Are they the reason why PG value has dipped big time?
It's really impossible to say. Going forward, it does not appear that we will be getting any more SF PG's (at least until LeBron again I think). They do bring a special uniqueness to the rosters that make them totally worthy of tanking and landing the top pick. That said, they will always be a rough sell for people who love their more traditional actual PG. The rebounding advantage is especially a rough sell. With the Pacers and Magic currently two of the favorites to win it all, along with the Mavs not really being all that far off, we will continue to notice the presence of these guys going forward.
- Since 2063, at least one of these players has been a part of the conference finals. Digging deeper, in the last 4 seasons, at least one of these players has been involved in the finals. In 3 of those seasons, one of them has won, with the Moses (potential GOAT) led Hawks being the odd winner here.
-Since 2062, one of these players has won the MVP every season (Fat, 67), Magic (66, 64, 63, 62), and MRR (65). Obviously, winning MVP isn't the biggest deal but it's interesting to see how important FBB deems these players.
Regular Season Stats:
So we know FBB thinks of these guys are top tier and they are clear winners. How do their stats stack up to "regular PG's"? Well, we are going to attempt to stack them up against the other 26 starting PG's. Some caveats before we dig into our stats.
1. I am only looking at starting PG's from the roster pages. So, if your starting PG for most of the season played 78 games, I can't make up for those missing 4 games.
2. Shooting percentages are a bit tricky to do. I did it a bit of a different way but it may not click with the rest of the stats. You all will be ok.
So, what do we have?
The other 26 starting PG's in BBS, last season, averaged 21 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 9.3 apg, 1.6 spg, 0.3 bpg and 2.5 tpg.
The 3 SF PGs averaged 31.7 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 11.1 apg, 2.4 spg, 0.7 bpg, 2.3 tpg.
We'll get to the shooting percentages in a second but just looking at these stats, the SF PGs averaged 10.7 more ppg, 4 more rebounds, 1.8 assists per game. .6 steals per game, a tad more blocks per game and .2 less turnovers per game. So, essentially, they are obviously better.
Shooting Percentages:
So, looking at shooting percentages, we're going to look at them as is and compare them. I thought about going based of their actual shots from their roster pages but I'd like to maintain some semblance of sanity. Thank you for your understanding. As I said, I will be taking them at face value, directly from rosters.
So, taking the worst shooting percentage out of the three SF PG's (0.476 by MRR), the PG's that shot better than that from the field are:
Craig Hodges, Doc Rivers, Dave Twardzik. Ricky Green, George Karl, Michael Adams and Gerald Henderson.
Next, looking at FT shooting, we'll do something similar. The worst was Magic Johnson at 83%. From the line, every PG but Darrell Valentine, and Darrell Walker shot better then Magic.
Lastly, 3pt shooting was alone brought down by Magic as well, with him shooting .378 from 3. Aside from Sleepy Flloyd, John Stockton, Charles Johnson, Doc Rivers, Isiah Thomas, Vern Fleming, Slick Watts and Darrell Walker, all other starting PG's shot better then Magic from 3.
So, at least when it comes to shooting percentages, Craig Hodges, Michael Adams, Gerald Henderson, Dave Twardzik, Rick Green, George Karl shot better then the lowest of the three percentages (0.476 from the field, .83 from the line and .378 from 3).
So, I decided to start off by picking the lowest from each shooting percentage but what if we picked the middle instead? There are three after all. Without adding another wall of text, the PG's that shot better if we picked the middle percentages (0.484 from the field, 0.852 from the line and 0.389 from 3pt) are now Craig Hodges, Dave Twardzik and Ricky Green. I think we have a good idea as to who these fellas are at this point. With Craig Hodges specifically, does this mean he's near the value and skillset of these SF PGs? Really, not really.
Playoff PG's:
So, we took these SF PG's and compared them to all other starting PGs. I hear you say, wait, there are a lot of shitty starting PGs. Yes, you would be right. So, for this next section, we will remove non-playoff teams and just compare playoff PG's to these SF PGs.
With 16 playoff teams, 3 of them being SF PGs, we're going to take those other 13 starting PGs and compare them to the stats of the SF PGs.
Looking back, the SF PGs put up: 31.7 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 11.1 apg, 2.4 spg, 0.7 bpg, 2.3 tpg.
The other 13 starting PGs put up: 22.7 ppg, 5 rpg, 10 apg, 1.7 spg, 0.3 bpg, 2.4 tpg.
Are these stats better than looking at all actual PGs? Yes. Are they close to the SF PGs? Eh. Still a bit away. Yes, we are using regular season stats here but that's the main stat we have.
Conclusion:
So, looking at this whole article, are these SF PGs the real "cheat code" of BBS? Are they that far ahead the rest of the PG crop right now? Are they going to be running things for the foreseeable future? Are they the reason why PG value has dipped big time?
It's really impossible to say. Going forward, it does not appear that we will be getting any more SF PG's (at least until LeBron again I think). They do bring a special uniqueness to the rosters that make them totally worthy of tanking and landing the top pick. That said, they will always be a rough sell for people who love their more traditional actual PG. The rebounding advantage is especially a rough sell. With the Pacers and Magic currently two of the favorites to win it all, along with the Mavs not really being all that far off, we will continue to notice the presence of these guys going forward.
