ACD - Supersized Value List: BBS'S Top 100 (2005)

[Skillz]

SUPERSIZED VALUE LIST: The 100 Most Valuable Players in BBS (2005)

It’s that time of the year again. New draft, new TC, new world. The BBS value landscape changes every sim, but every season we like to take a beat and see where all of our players fall.

As always, player value involves production, ratings, contract status, age, camp status, player perception and alike.

I decided to go with 100 players this year, because more players caught my eye than during any other iteration. I’m guessing this has to do with inflation? Or I am just a sucker for more players? No clue.

I added two more tiers because I wanted this to be more specific than previous iterations. We always want to IMPROVE!

As a reminder, I ranked your players much lower than they should be ranked and it is because I have a personal vendetta against you.

Here are the rankings:

Tier 7 (100-87)

Young guys dudes that are nothing but FUN.

Notes: These are guys that initially made my “honorable mention” list on the Top-75 group but are now full members of this exclusive article! Basically, this is just fun youth with value. They aren’t good enough to climb the ranks of the other tiers, but if they were added in a trade, you would surely be appreciative and value the commodity. Besides my Mountain of a Man (MARTYNAS!), my favorite players on this list are Tony Allen, Carlos Arroyo and Kelena Azubuike. I’m also fascinated to see how Yarsolav Korolev develops.

Jameer Nelson PG 23 6'0'' 193 C B+ C+ B D+ B

Beno Udrih PG 23 6'3'' 205 C+ A- C+ C+ C- C

Sebastian Telfair PG 20 6'0'' 165 C B A- C+ D+ A

Kyle Korver SG 24 6'7'' 215 C+ A- C- C C C
Jason Maxiell PF 22 6'7'' 263 B+ D+ C- C+ C+ C

Luis Scola PF 25 6'9'' 243 B B C- C B B

Yaroslav Korlolev SF 18 6'9'' 206 B- C C A- C B

Kelenna Azubuike SG 22 6'5'' 220 C+ A- C- C C B

David Lee PF 22 6'9'' 245 B C C C+ B+ C

Kris Humphries PF 20 6'10'' 241 C+ C D+ C+ A- A

Martynas Andriuskevicius C 19 7'2'' 242 B C D+ C B- B

Kirk Hinrich PG 24 6'4'' 196 C B+ C+ B C- B

Nate Robinson PG 21 5'9'' 180 B C+ C+ C+ C B

Carlos Arroyo PG 26 6'2'' 205 B- B+ B- C D+ C

Tony Allen SF 23 6'4'' 218 B- C+ C A C+ A 

Luol Deng SG 20 6'9'' 240 B- B C- C+ C B

Tier 6 (86-67):

Veterans who have earned new contracts and are paid like foundational pieces. Some of these guys may be billed as “overpaid,” but they will regularly fetch at least some value in a trade and can always be moved for one another.

Notes: You can poke holes at any of these guys, but you could surely find a significant piece in your rotation for any one of them if you are creative. People will lament their contracts in a trade(Griffin, Sheed, Moiso, Walker, Webber, etc.), but you’ll always be able to find a buyer. These guys are good enough. Or at least appetizing enough. Michael Finley is underrated. Alonzo Mourning is a Tier 2 player with a Tier 50 contract. Andre Miller is loved by only me, Steve and Erbes. Big Dog gets passed around for less and less every season.

Andre Miller PG 26 6'2'' 202 B C+ A- B C B

Pau Gasol PF 25 7'0'' 267 B+ C C+ A- B B

Eddie Griffin C 24 6'11'' 234 C+ C C- B+ B C

Samuel Dalembert C 24 6'11'' 264 C+ C- C- A- B C 

Larry Hughes SG 26 6'5'' 203 B+ B C A- C C

Joe Johnson SG 24 6'7'' 240 B A- C+ C+ C- C

Rasheed Wallace PF 31 6'11'' 244 B+ C C+ A B C

Paul Pierce SG 28 6'7'' 230 A- A- C B- C B 

Lamar Odom SF 25 6'11'' 233 B+ B B+ A- B C 

Zydrunas Ilgauskas PF 30 7'3'' 269 B+ C- D+ A- B+ C

Stephen Jackson SG 27 6'8'' 219 B A- C B+ C B

Richard Jefferson SG 25 6'7'' 238 B A- D A- C+ B

Antoine Walker SF 29 6'9'' 250 A- C+ A- C+ B C

Theo Ratliff C 32 6'10'' 235 B C- D+ A B- C

Chris Webber PF 32 6'10'' 261 A- C C A A- C

Jerome Moiso C 27 6'10'' 244 B+ C C A- B C 

Elton Brand PF 26 6'8'' 263 A- C- C B B+ C

Shawn Marion PF 27 6'7'' 233 B+ C C A- B+ C

Allan Houston SF 34 6'6'' 200 B A+ C+ B D+ D 

Michael Finley SG 32 6'7'' 215 B+ A B- B+ C C 

Glenn Robinson SF 32 6'7'' 230 B+ A- D C+ C D

Alonzo Mourning C 35 6'10'' 267 A- C- C A- A- C 

Tier 5 (66-54):

High Floor, Low Ceiling Youth. These guys are all very good 4th/5th starters on contending teams and benefit from being on favorable/rookie contracts. When you have an excellent role player who takes up such a small part of your allotted $78M, you can make magic happen.

Notes: If you put up a trade block, every team is going to “like” each and one of these guys. Cheap dudes who get stocks and complement elite players? Sign me up Beidrinis, Chandler, Okafor and Kristic are all the same player. I am skeptical about Bogut but his ratings and potential keep him here for now. There is an argument you could put Harris or Calderon higher. Calderon is having a ridiculous season but I am not buying it just yet. My thoughts on Morlende were clear. The league doesn’t value him this way but if he were not expiring, I’d have him in the top 30.

Josh Howard SF 25 6'7'' 216 B- A- C B C C

Tayshaun Prince SF 25 6'9'' 220 C+ A- C B+ C C

Caron Butler SG 25 6'7'' 237 B B+ B B C B 

Emeka Okafor PF 23 6'10'' 257 C+ D+ D B B B

Andris Biedrins C 19 7'1'' 245 C+ D- D B+ B+ B

Andrew Bogut C 21 7'0'' 263 C+ D C+ B+ B A 

Tyson Chandler C 23 7'1'' 254 B+ D+ C- B+ B- 

Nenad Krstic C 22 7'1'' 249 C+ C- D+ A- B B 

Jose Calderon PG 24 6'3'' 200 C+ A- B- C C- C 

Arvydas Macijauskas SG 25 6'4'' 224 B- A C+ C+ C- C

Devin Harris PG 22 6'3'' 190 C+ A- B A- C- B

Paccelis Morlende PG 24 6'2'' 192 C C C+ B C B
Andre Emmett C 23 6'5'' 233 C+ C C B B B [late edition!!!]

Tier 4 (53-38)

Good Players. There’s nothing unique or specific about this group, just that they didn’t fit in anywhere else. They are too old to be considered prospects, too good or underpriced to be part of tier 6, and too flawed to be grouped anywhere higher.

Notes: Some excellent 3rd/4th starters in their prime interspersed with some elite older dudes. Really weird that Ray Allen has “F” potential. What the fuck is that? It’s scouted and might mean nothing, but we are all suckers for optics, and that has to impact his value. Shaq has taken a lot of shit and I think his value has suffered. I ranked KVH above Stephen Jackson and Antoine Walker because I am a man of integrity.

Jason Williams PG 29 6'1'' 192 B- B A C+ D C

Mehmet Okur C 26 6'11'' 260 B B+ C- B A- B
Gerald Wallace SF 23 6'9'' 232 A- C C+ A- B+ C

Ron Artest SF 25 6'8'' 262 C+ A- C A- C+ C 

Andrei Kirilenko SF 25 6'9'' 229 B+ C+ C+ A C B

Predrag Stojakovic SG 28 6'9'' 229 B+ A C B- C+ D

Jermaine O'Neal PF 27 6'11'' 253 A- C- F+ B+ B- B 

Udonis Haslem PF 25 6'8'' 242 B+ C C- B+ B+ C

Kenyon Martin C 28 6'9'' 270 B D C- B+ B+ B

Jason Kidd PG 32 6'4'' 215 C+ B+ A+ A- C D 

Keith Van Horn SF 30 6'10'' 250 B A- D- B B C

Mike Bibby PG 27 6'2'' 195 C A B B D C 

Shaquille O'Neal C 33 7'1'' 320 A D- C+ A+ A B 

Baron Davis PG 26 6'3'' 225 B B+ A A- C- B

Ray Allen SG 30 6'5'' 211 B A B- B C- F

Steve Nash PG 31 6'3'' 195 C+ A A+ C+ D+ C 

Marcus Camby PF 31 6'11'' 243 B+ C- C A A- C

Tier 3 (37-26):

Enticing Youth. Not all of these guys will pan out, but all will be viewed as centerpiece prospects in trade negotiations. 

Notes: I don’t think Deron, Amar’e or Dwight Howard belong here right now but I know the league feels differently. Based on their upside, names and rookie contracts, they would definitely carry significant value in a trade. I was very close to elevating both Andrew Bynum and Lou Williams to Tier 2. They both look absolutely awesome.

Deron Williams PG 21 6'3'' 203 C+ B B+ C+ C A

Amar'e Stoudemire PF 23 6'11'' 248 A- D+ C B B B 

Andre Iguodala SG 21 6'6'' 221 B B- C+ A- C B

Danny Granger SF 22 6'9'' 225 B A- C- B C B

Trevor Ariza SF 20 6'8'' 221 C+ A D A- C+ B

Josh Smith SF 20 6'11'' 230 B B C B C+ A

Dwight Howard C 20 7'0'' 231 B D+ C- B+ B+ A 

Shaun Livingston PG 20 6'8'' 195 C+ C+ B- A C B

Al Jefferson C 20 7'0'' 292 B C- D+ B- B+ A 

Carmelo Anthony SF 21 6'8'' 235 B A- C+ C C+ A 

Lou Williams SG 19 6'1'' 175 B A C C D+ A 

Andrew Bynum C 18 7'1'' 288 B+ C- D B- B

Tier 2 (25-13):

Really good players who can function as your best player but are ideally suited as # 2’s on the best, best teams. Some of these guys are # 1s but are moved from tier 1 because of positional scarcity or age. Others are younger and project to become Tier 1 guys soon. 

Notes: Some fun players! Randolph and West don’t really belong here, but they are too good for Tier 4, so we’ll be nice to Kobe today. It’s pretty wild to see two perfect wing players in VC and T-Mac fall this far, but that’s just a commentary on the strength of the position. If you aren’t well above the mean, it’s hard to consider you to have elite value. Chris Kaman is a cheat code. How the fuck did that happen? I am probably insane for putting Kevin Martin this high, but I think he’s the type of player that flourishes in FBB and will have some 30 PPG seasons in his future.

Zach Randolph C 24 6'10'' 261 B C+ C B- B+ B

David West C 25 6'9'' 253 B- C C+ A A- B 

Vince Carter SF 28 6'7'' 224 B+ A C+ B+ C C

Dimitris Diamantidis SG 25 6'5'' 204 B A B- C C C 

Manu Ginobili SG 29 6'6'' 217 B A- C+ B C C

Ben Wallace C 31 6'9'' 259 B- F+ F+ A A C

Yao Ming C 25 7'6'' 313 B C D+ B+ A- B 

Chris Kaman C 23 7'0'' 270 B+ C- D B- B C

Chris Bosh PF 21 7'1'' 244 A- C D+ A- B- B

Tracy McGrady SF 26 6'8'' 221 A- A C+ B+ C+ B

Kevin Martin SG 22 6'7'' 205 B- A C- C D+ B

Jamal Crawford PG 25 6'6'' 190 B- A B+ C+ D+ B

Tier 1 (12-1):

The best players in the league, period.

Notes: Some hot takes here. LeBron is # 1 for my money. I know his turnovers are a huge issue at Point Guard, but the fact that he’s already a “B” rebounder at Point Guard negates that. I think he’s developing at a rate that makes him an even bigger unfair advantage at PG than Wade will be. Kobe is # 2. His titles speak for themselves. I was VERY close to doing a mini-troll and putting Billups # 1, but I stopped myself. But the man is averaging 42/6/6 at the league’s most important position and plays top-notch D. Chris Paul is going to be a stud. Ricky Davis has turned into a fucking superstar, too.

Allen Iverson SG 30 6'0'' 165 A- A- B A- C- C 

Ricky Davis SG 26 6'7'' 215 A- A C C+ C- B

Tony Parker PG 23 6'3'' 194 B+ B+ C+ B+ D+ C 

Chris Paul PG 19 6'2'' 178 B B- B+ A- C A

Kevin Garnett PF 29 6'11'' 246 A- C C A A- C 

Dirk Nowitzki SF 27 7'0'' 268 B+ A- C- A- B+ A 

Gilbert Arenas PG 23 6'4'' 203 B+ A C C D+ C

Dwyane Wade SG 23 6'4'' 213 A- C+ B- B+ C+ A

Chauncey Billups PG 29 6'3'' 212 C A C A- C B

Tim Duncan C 29 7'0'' 284 A- C B A+ A C

Kobe Bryant SG 27 6'7'' 222 A- A+ B+ A+ C C

LeBron James SF 21 6'10'' 235 A- B B- B- B A

[Skillz]

This took way too long to do this season. Exited out while writing it 75% of the way there.

[footy]

Yay a couple of Hawks- Bynum does look niceeeee

[footy]

Losing out on CP3 still hurts my heart though

[Deleted]

ok gerry

[Mark]

i remember a time when the sonics would never be on this list!

[Skillz]

Jul 22, 2020 17:52:14 GMT -8 @aaronjh said:

ok gerry

oops forgot will add

[Deleted]

climbing this list with kris humphries is going to be the ride of my life

[Mark]

imo the absolute stud youth shouldn't be below 29 year old superstars. wade has more value than chauncey, for example. splitting hair based on where they're ranked, but if we re-drafted, wade is drafted ahead of chauncey. and i think that's a lot of what this article is trying to do

loved it tho. i find this very helpful

[Andrew]

gonna need a 12 page disclosure here outlining your incentives for each grouping

[2 years left]

Hmm who is skillz targeting this season

[Mark]

jason maxiell! skillz you sly dog. i missed him the first time

[ashes]

I'd take Milos and Maggette over half those tier 6 jabronis!

[Andrew]

Just called Skillz Inspector Gadget in a PM because his trades always have expiration times. How did I not think of this before??

[Skillz]

Jul 22, 2020 17:55:58 GMT -8 Mark said:

imo the absolute stud youth shouldn't be below 29 year old superstars. wade has more value than chauncey, for example. splitting hair based on where they're ranked, but if we re-drafted, wade is drafted ahead of chauncey. and i think that's a lot of what this article is trying to do

loved it tho. i find this very helpful

The list tries to do that, yeah. My biases are obviously baked in, but i wouldn't trade Chauncey for Wade now.

Won't get into why since this list is already (maybe rightly) perceived as agenda-driven. I think Chauncey is the best player in the league for this season.

[Mark]

Jul 22, 2020 17:59:57 GMT -8 Skillz said:

Jul 22, 2020 17:55:58 GMT -8 Mark said:

imo the absolute stud youth shouldn't be below 29 year old superstars. wade has more value than chauncey, for example. splitting hair based on where they're ranked, but if we re-drafted, wade is drafted ahead of chauncey. and i think that's a lot of what this article is trying to do

loved it tho. i find this very helpful

The list tries to do that, yeah. My biases are obviously baked in, but i wouldn't trade Chauncey for Wade now.

Won't get into why since this list is already (maybe rightly) perceived as agenda-driven. I think Chauncey is the best player in the league for this season.

Nanz please propose wade for chauncey so we can see if he's full of shit!

[2 years left]

Obviously I think KVH has become underrated around the league now but this is about where the league values him. Sad.

[Orlando Magic Johnson]

RICKY DA GOAT

[Orlando Magic Johnson]

Baron in tier 4?!? he's about to jump! No love for Jamison!!

[Skillz]

Jul 22, 2020 18:01:05 GMT -8 Mark said:

Jul 22, 2020 17:59:57 GMT -8 Skillz said:

The list tries to do that, yeah. My biases are obviously baked in, but i wouldn't trade Chauncey for Wade now.

Won't get into why since this list is already (maybe rightly) perceived as agenda-driven. I think Chauncey is the best player in the league for this season.

Nanz please propose wade for chauncey so we can see if he's full of shit!

Honestly wouldn't even consider it. I liked the Lakers/Mavs deal for Habes (and said so in the thread) and I like Billups more than Gil.

Wade is awesome and there's a good chance he'll be transcendent but potential is a fickle thing in FBB and until he takes the leap, it's hard to put him in that Tier 1A+ tier. 

[insane]

nice

[Skillz]

Jul 22, 2020 17:44:50 GMT -8 Skillz said:

As a reminder, I ranked your players much lower than they should be ranked and it is because I have a personal vendetta against you.

[insane]

Jul 22, 2020 18:06:20 GMT -8 Skillz said:

Jul 22, 2020 17:44:50 GMT -8 Skillz said:

As a reminder, I ranked your players much lower than they should be ranked and it is because I have a personal vendetta against you.

always

[Von]

Todd MacCollough #101

[Nanz]

Jul 22, 2020 18:01:05 GMT -8 Mark said:

Jul 22, 2020 17:59:57 GMT -8 Skillz said:

The list tries to do that, yeah. My biases are obviously baked in, but i wouldn't trade Chauncey for Wade now.

Won't get into why since this list is already (maybe rightly) perceived as agenda-driven. I think Chauncey is the best player in the league for this season.

Nanz please propose wade for chauncey so we can see if he's full of shit!

Honestly wouldn't even consider it. I liked the Lakers/Mavs deal for Habes (and said so in the thread) and I like Billups more than Gil.

Wade is awesome and there's a good chance he'll be transcendent but potential is a fickle thing in FBB and until he takes the leap, it's hard to put him in that Tier 1A+ tier.

[Nanz]

I was also supposed to trade wade in order to get rid of the contracts I got rid of today...

[GAME]

Weres Jose Calderon

[GAME]

Jose Calderon PG 8 35.3 28.6 4.4 8.1 2.1 0.0 2.8 .497 .905 .462

[GAME]

We’re do I give him his 3 ACs

[GAME]

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I guess