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Post by greeme on Jun 27, 2020 13:48:17 GMT -8
Maybe ill let Jay start
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 14:24:36 GMT -8
The trouble I have with the really really awful GM’s is that there response (or non response) will be the same no matter what type of deal I offer. Sonics, Magic, and others that will rename nameless for the time being could have gotten past their CY so easily by just accepting no-brainer deals. So now I just find myself offering just outrageous one-sided deals (that benefit me) to these terrible GMs because they have declined or failed to counter so many really good trades that would have objectively helped. I’ve given up. So if the chances are like ~5% that they accept an offer, and the quality of the offer has no bearing on whether they accept, I’m going to make terrible offers. To good GMs I make good offers. So I think most can agree you’re a very solid GM. I think in your quest to become a better GM than you currently are you need to find better ways to negotiate deals where you aren’t consistently patronizing others. I’m not sure you realize if it comes off that way but you will find that others probably agree. My favorite thing to play into when I’m interested in a deal. Just pretend you’re dumb and indecisive and he improves his offer. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 14:26:53 GMT -8
it’s just a nice shadow layer to trade talks. let someone think they’ve persuaded you and they’ll conflate it with winning the deal. not specific to skillz. he’s just the person I trade with the most
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Post by the original michael on Jun 27, 2020 14:37:17 GMT -8
Tyrone Hill for an exp + 2nd
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Post by the original michael on Jun 27, 2020 14:37:28 GMT -8
B A- !!
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Post by 13rock on Jun 27, 2020 15:17:34 GMT -8
This is what you want to do?
You acknowledge some of your offers are BS because they are "deserved" and there is a possibility it might be accepted. I at times do not reply because I see the offer and immediately think "this isn't good". Why engage negotiations with someone when that is how the communication starts? So do you expect a response when you are offering outrageous one-sided deals for yourself?
I make a stop glance at the board and PMs and then onto the next task. Just vent about everyone that frustrates you, it's fine. It really is.
At different times I was skeptical of your offers and that led me to be hesitant with your offers. I figured the quick follow-up responses were to put pressure into accepting a trade favorable to you.
And my response to this quote;
"To good GMs I make good offers."
Well yeah... they'd tell you to GTFO
Love it but you're about to be fired so oof I’m working very hard to avoid the “deuces” 🖕🖕 This is supposed to be fun and I want to continue to participate in FBB sims. Thought the play was to ride Shaq to a reset... In this case Coach G’s saying wasn’t meant to be... “If it is to be, it’s up to me.” Well Shaq 😭😂 |
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Post by Von on Jun 27, 2020 16:03:11 GMT -8
it’s just a nice shadow layer to trade talks. let someone think they’ve persuaded you and they’ll conflate it with winning the deal. not specific to skillz. he’s just the person I trade with the most Eh. |
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Post by ashes on Jun 27, 2020 16:29:02 GMT -8
In no order, SLIM shady LP, Reasonable Doubt, the chronic, ready to die, enter the Wu and college dropout a tie just solo artists for me so mine would be: Reasonable Doubt Slim Shady LP Ready to Die Get Rich or Die Tryin Tha Carter man 5th is hard tbh lol Sleeping on Illmatic, It's Dark and Hell is Hot, and Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik Making a top 5 seems impossible to me |
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Post by Stevie B on Jun 27, 2020 16:33:14 GMT -8
i mean...good kid mad city is an all timer
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 16:34:33 GMT -8
it’s just a nice shadow layer to trade talks. let someone think they’ve persuaded you and they’ll conflate it with winning the deal. not specific to skillz. he’s just the person I trade with the most Eh. tools of the titans |
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Post by ashes on Jun 27, 2020 16:34:49 GMT -8
Tyrone Hill for an exp + 2nd I would do this if I could |
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Post by the original michael on Jun 27, 2020 16:38:29 GMT -8
Tyrone Hill for an exp + 2nd I would do this if I could  |
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Post by chipper on Jun 27, 2020 16:48:47 GMT -8
Tyrone Hill for an exp + 2nd I would do this if I could If I was in the playoff mix I would too. |
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Post by ashes on Jun 27, 2020 17:00:16 GMT -8
I would do this if I could Just take Kittles he will be a nice exp next year  |
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Post by Jeb on Jun 27, 2020 18:22:49 GMT -8
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Post by Skillz on Jun 27, 2020 18:53:01 GMT -8
The trouble I have with the really really awful GM’s is that there response (or non response) will be the same no matter what type of deal I offer. Sonics, Magic, and others that will rename nameless for the time being could have gotten past their CY so easily by just accepting no-brainer deals. So now I just find myself offering just outrageous one-sided deals (that benefit me) to these terrible GMs because they have declined or failed to counter so many really good trades that would have objectively helped. I’ve given up. So if the chances are like ~5% that they accept an offer, and the quality of the offer has no bearing on whether they accept, I’m going to make terrible offers. To good GMs I make good offers. So I think most can agree you’re a very solid GM. I think in your quest to become a better GM than you currently are you need to find better ways to negotiate deals where you aren’t consistently patronizing others. I’m not sure you realize if it comes off that way but you will find that others probably agree. Yeah, sadly I’ve probably had some of the negative behavior ingrained/ programmed over the years because it has worked in most cases. I Certainly have a knack for pissing some guys off at times, which isn’t an enviable quality ! I think I am persistent - not condescending or patronizing - with GMs with whom i have a good relationship and rapport. That’s a fine line i probably cross too much with those who do not fall into that boat. I definitely intentionally cross the line with guys I don’t care for or respect at all and can be a condescending asshole. I’ve definitely been patronizing to you. At the risk of dragging trade negotiations into this, you’ve declined a few outrageously favorable deals. That’s your prerogative. I would probably do better to respect that prerogative, but the instinct to push back is also the instinct that leads to trades all the time, so who knows. |
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Post by chipper on Jun 27, 2020 18:53:44 GMT -8
He’s implicitly talking about me he’ll be happy to know I’ve said fuck it and am not asking anyone for advice anymore. I was not thinking about either of you when making the comment More so the CY guys and some others Though Trading with jah is like pulling teeth. Everything must be perfectly aligned with no downside risk for him to pull the trigger. Impossible to find fair trades that way and that’s why his teams have always been .500 squads ohhh ok fair enough- my apologies mate |
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Post by chipper on Jun 27, 2020 18:56:44 GMT -8
I was not thinking about either of you when making the comment More so the CY guys and some others Though Trading with jah is like pulling teeth. Everything must be perfectly aligned with no downside risk for him to pull the trigger. Impossible to find fair trades that way and that’s why his teams have always been .500 squads ohhh ok fair enough- my apologies mate But Skillz the part I said about not asking for help is also still valid 'cause I'd rather do it based off my own thoughts at this point. |
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Post by ashes on Jun 27, 2020 18:58:24 GMT -8
Skillz can be pretty abrasive in trade talks whether he means to or not.
Obviously it's worked out well for him, but I can see how it would turn off GMs from wanting to entertain him. He's way better than he used to be in that regard, at least.
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Post by 2 years left on Jun 27, 2020 19:09:06 GMT -8
The key is annoying him more than he annoys you
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Post by ashes on Jun 27, 2020 19:11:37 GMT -8
The key is annoying him more than he annoys you I think just saying no does that |
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Post by 2 years left on Jun 27, 2020 19:12:52 GMT -8
Take him on a ride first
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Post by chipper on Jun 27, 2020 19:50:45 GMT -8
The key is annoying him more than he annoys you I think just saying no does that Had trade talks with Skillz, said no- it does annoy him lol |
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Post by Erbes on Jun 28, 2020 3:20:21 GMT -8
The trouble I have with the really really awful GM’s is that there response (or non response) will be the same no matter what type of deal I offer. Sonics, Magic, and others that will rename nameless for the time being could have gotten past their CY so easily by just accepting no-brainer deals. So now I just find myself offering just outrageous one-sided deals (that benefit me) to these terrible GMs because they have declined or failed to counter so many really good trades that would have objectively helped. I’ve given up. So if the chances are like ~5% that they accept an offer, and the quality of the offer has no bearing on whether they accept, I’m going to make terrible offers. To good GMs I make good offers. So I think most can agree you’re a very solid GM. I think in your quest to become a better GM than you currently are you need to find better ways to negotiate deals where you aren’t consistently patronizing others. I’m not sure you realize if it comes off that way but you will find that others probably agree. Yep |
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Post by Erbes on Jun 28, 2020 3:21:48 GMT -8
Now do me Dr. pig!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 5:06:02 GMT -8
Anyone want mo Taylor or al Harrington? Good scorers for free
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 5:07:56 GMT -8
Hope I can pull off another tony parker draft situation here fellas but I need your help. Take my players!
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Post by chipper on Jun 28, 2020 5:16:29 GMT -8
Hoping guy I have a deal agreed to with logs on before sim. 😬
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Post by chipper on Jun 28, 2020 5:29:28 GMT -8
Been holding off on doing a DC because of it too
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Post by Skillz on Jun 28, 2020 5:35:23 GMT -8
Who u getting
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